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PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 11:34 pm    Post subject:  Latest recall includes 2000-2005 Impalas Reply with quote

http://www.detroitnews.com/art...../306300093
More ignition switch issues, the solution is an insert to change the slot in the key to a hole so it won't rotate as easily.
The recall finder on GM's site doesn't list this yet, and the NTSB doesn't either.

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i always thought it was stupid to have every key you own on one ring. now i own 5 vehicles and each one has its own keys (doors and ignition) and a house key. no need to have 20 keys on one ring. i have always thought it was bad on the cylinder but not like this i thought it would cause abnormal wear on the pins and cause it to fail.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 11:42 am    Post subject:   Reply with quote

I don't keep my car key on a ring. It just sits loose in my pocket. So when I drive there's no jingling of keys, & the motor never shuts off. I often wonder if the people who have these problems are carrying a janitor's keyring. [35 keys on 1 ring] GARY

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 1:29 am    Post subject:   Reply with quote

one of the news shows did a show on this recall. and with the slotted key and the extra weight of other keys (dont know the number but its more than 5) if they hit a bump the slot would give the keys the extra leverage on the ignition key and cause it to turn off. then they tried the "new" style with just one hole and they ended up braking they key ring by pulling on it yet the car never shut off

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2014 5:31 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

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one of the news shows did a show on this recall. and with the slotted key and the extra weight of other keys (dont know the number but its more than 5) if they hit a bump the slot would give the keys the extra leverage on the ignition key and cause it to turn off. then they tried the "new" style with just one hole and they ended up braking they key ring by pulling on it yet the car never shut off


When I saw it on the news,they showed what looked to be a brand new Black SS carving the mountainside. I was wishin' I was was drivin' it,even with the friggin' recall.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 9:35 pm    Post subject:  Re: Latest recall includes 2000-2005 Impalas Reply with quote

Jayme wrote:
http://www.detroitnews.com/art...../306300093
More ignition switch issues, the solution is an insert to change the slot in the key to a hole so it won't rotate as easily.
The recall finder on GM's site doesn't list this yet, and the NTSB doesn't either.



The worn out key is the issue.

I had my engine shut off on my due to the key being loose inside the cylinder
luckily this only occurred when the car had just been started and not going down the road . yes the keys were bumped by my knee and only happened a few times.


A new key is tighter/stiff inside the cylinder and does not move as easy and when bumped does not shut the car off.



Worn out key turns more easily compared to a new key. I even checked it my self compared to the original key

MY youtube VIDEO below

https://www.youtube.com/watch?.....e=youtu.be
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 9:13 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

Wow, wondered about this. My daily drivers are a 96 Dodge Ram & the 04 Impala. My main key ring has ignition keys for both, the key fob for the Impala & a work key (3 total & the fob). The Dodge key will actually fit in the Impala ignition & turn partway-then its a bear to get out. The Impala key wont even fit in the Dodge ignition. 160K on the Impala & 300(zillion, or thousand!) on the Dodge-both factory keys.

So is the key the issue or the lock? I assumed the Impala key was just worn but all the recalls get me thinking.

(edit) Just watched your vid & re-read 03, its the key
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 12:01 am    Post subject:   Reply with quote

its the hole in the key, the slot allows for more leverage to turn the key. problem is this is how keys have been made since i can remember and no problems from them. so its not a bad key design its more of cheap ignition parts

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 1:44 am    Post subject:   Reply with quote

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its the hole in the key, the slot allows for more leverage to turn the key. problem is this is how keys have been made since i can remember and no problems from them. so its not a bad key design its more of cheap ignition parts
Worn out key


I can get the car to stall in the ON position with the worn out key.
and the car DOES not shut off correctly as it sputters to stop. i.e STALLING

this is what the recall is about Stalling in the ON position?


That is the problem I have with old worn key


a new key corrects the issue preferably one cut from the dealer and not a "copy of your problem"

with a NEW key this does not happen. The car shuts off correctly when it goes into the "ACC" position.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 9:18 am    Post subject:   Reply with quote

The recall is about the lock cylinder switching between on and off with weight on the key this kills the car and airbags. It has nothing to do with a worn out key
http://youtu.be/umqRhRdwLrI watch the vid and you will see the "new" key

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 2:57 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

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The recall is about the lock cylinder switching between on and off with weight on the key this kills the car and airbags. It has nothing to do with a worn out key
http://youtu.be/umqRhRdwLrI watch the vid and you will see the "new" key
so the worn out key and car shutting off when on is another issue?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 3:27 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

Its all the same problem with the cylinder. A worn key wont shut a car off

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 3:39 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

Irish_alley wrote:
i always thought it was stupid to have every key you own on one ring.


Agreed. I've got one of these one my keys. One ring has the car keys and a house key... the rest go on everything else. It has the added bonus of me being able to leave all my work keys at home when I'm not at work...


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 3:58 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

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The recall is about the lock cylinder switching between on and off with weight on the key this kills the car and airbags. It has nothing to do with a worn out key
http://youtu.be/umqRhRdwLrI watch the vid and you will see the "new" key


I haven't had my car shut off due to an ignition switch issue, but it did happen to me with a bad CPS on a few occasions. Listening to the guy in the video say you lose the ability to steer or stop the car is complete and utter bull****. You lose the mechanical assists, but you still have control of your car. The loss of the airbags is a serious issue, but to say you cant steer or stop the car is ridiculous.

Also for his demo is a guy cranking on the key quickly and assertively. The rational part of me wants to believe that the motion he uses for this 'demonstration' at 1:07 would have a strong potential to turn off most cars...

Additionally, saying the car you can't restart when it happens is also slightly misleading. I figured it was common knowledge that you had to put the car in neutral or park to start it, but I guess most people don't realize that.

I am in no way trying to make up excuses for GM, but a car cutting out while you are driving is a situation that most people should at least be able to figure out with basic knowledge of cars. I guess it falls in the same category as the 'unintended acceleration' cases that could have been prevented simply by shifting into neutral.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 4:51 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

Yup, my SS cut off on me once, nothing to do with the key but a problem with the switch itself. Was doing about 60 in traffic. Car shut off, I moved tot he shoulder, applied the brakes and turned into a parking lot. Shut car off, put it in park, started it back up.

I didnt fly off a bridge, crash into a semi or even bump a curb.

It wasnt shocking, terrifying or scary.

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