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PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 4:30 pm    Post subject:  3800 series 2/3 hybrid question. Reply with quote

I have read on several Chevy forums that some 05 Impala's which were officially series 2 engines, came with series 3 conn rods. However, on several Pontiac forums, I have also read that some early series 3 engines from 04 [Pontiac got the series 3 3800 before Chevy] came with series 2 conn rods. So did this go both ways? GM parts catalogs show this never happened, & according to them, series 2 conn rods only came on series 2 3800's, & series 3 conn rods only came on series 3 engines. I ask because I have a 05 Impala built in Aug 04, so it's possible I could have the series 3 conn rods, but the parts computer doesn't show this ever happened, even with the vin filter off. Any info on this? GARY

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 5:17 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

I doubt GM would spec an engine with mixed-bag parts, but that doesn't mean they weren't using up old stock in the new engines if the parts were compatible.

I'm curious to know why you're digging so much on this particular subject...

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 5:24 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

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I'm curious to know why you're digging so much on this particular subject...
Funny, it really doesn't matter, & I don't need to buy parts for my car, but 30 years of GM parts experience, & with too much free time on my hands, my mind tends to wander. I know, there's more important things in life. In my 2nd career, I work weekends for a dealer selling guns at gun shows in South Florida. So when sitting in the pool today, the conn rod dilema was on my mind. GARY

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 4:53 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

I always thought the L26 and L36 had the same connecting rods....

However, you know as well as I do that serviceable parts aren't always the same as production parts.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 5:04 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

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I always thought the L26 and L36 had the same connecting rods....

However, you know as well as I do that serviceable parts aren't always the same as production parts.
In my GM parts career, it is my opinion that many times production parts are better than replacement parts sold in the parts dept. As a brother parts guy, would you agree? GARY

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 4:53 am    Post subject:   Reply with quote

9c3 i used to work at a parts store lol and i have to agree with you. butttttt we had a couple big car dealers who would get parts from us. dont know if the customer asked them to or the couldnt get from "the big three" but it was kind of odd

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I worked at a GM dealer for almost 30 years. If a customer brought in a car, & needed it back the same day, & we didn't have a part he needed, we'd try to get the part from another dealer that was close by. If however, he needed an A/C compressor, or an evaporator/condenser, we'd try to get it from a local AC Delco distributor, & pay less than from another dealer. If that didn't work, we'd call the local parts store who did carry some AC Delco parts. Now if the car needed exhaust parts, we'd get them from the parts store, as they'd always be cheaper than OEM. If we took in a used Ford, & needed a part for it, we'd never order a part from Ford, we'd just call the parts store. GARY

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 3:20 am    Post subject:   Reply with quote

i cant remember what parts, but i do remember a couple times after delivering parts or giving the dealers a quote. a couple minutes later we would get a call from the car owner and ask for prices on the same car and parts. then i would know the next question, "why is the dealer charging me this much" being a commercial driver for autozone i knew the answer and would proceed to tell them. if you notice the price are twice as much as our thats because the invoice we give the dealers would have a list price and sell price. what they charge you is up to them its usually the sell price which is twice as much as the sell price.

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With our parts store, if we [the dealer] called for a thermostat, our cost would be $7.50, with a list [sale] price of $12. If a retail customer called the same store, they'd tell him the list price was $15, & his price was $12, [so he thinks he's getting a discount] as a retail customer doesn't qualify for a discount, & only gets the retail price, so there is no confusion at check out time. Parts stores need to know this to protect the reseller [dealer, or repair shop] when marking up a product so they don't look like the bad guy. GARY

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at that time when i was working the only time a commercial customer got a discount is if they spent X amount of money a month. no one liked it even me. i couldn't understand how we would expect to keep commercial accounts if they got the same price a regular customer would get, the only benefit they would have is we would deliver the part for free. but if i was all ready out delivering parts it might be a hour before i get them the part. now the small garages would get better prices because they would get more parts from us so their discount was at a higher rate. then of course you had the customers that would want to get the parts from us thinking they would save money but then the garages would be like "sure but we will add ?% to the final cost.

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