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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 12:24 am    Post subject:  Play in steering Reply with quote

My '03 Impala LS 53k miles had the infamous ISS clunk problem. I replaced the ISS with an updated shaft from GMpartdirect. This got rid of most of the clunking but there is play in the steering and a very slight clunk. I'm assuming the new revised ISS is not the problem. I checked the installation and it appears tight. I checked al the usually suspects there is no play in the suspension. Is my steering rack just bad? Is this another problem area of Impalas? I know that if the pinion bearing preload is not tight the steering will be loose. Id hate to have to replace the R&P and go through all that mess but what else could be causing the play?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 12:43 am    Post subject:  Re: Play in steering Reply with quote

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My '03 Impala LS 53k miles had the infamous ISS clunk problem. I replaced the ISS with an updated shaft from GMpartdirect. This got rid of most of the clunking but there is play in the steering and a very slight clunk. I'm assuming the new revised ISS is not the problem. I checked the installation and it appears tight. I checked al the usually suspects there is no play in the suspension. Is my steering rack just bad? Is this another problem area of Impalas? I know that if the pinion bearing preload is not tight the steering will be loose. Id hate to have to replace the R&P and go through all that mess but what else could be causing the play?


Does it click when you turn? You checked your tie rod ends right?

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 12:47 am    Post subject:   Reply with quote

There's no real clicking or clunking when you turn the wheel but if you yank the wheel hard back and forth there is a slight clunk somewhere from the steering column or rack. There's no play in the suspension tie rods or wheel bearing etc but play in the steering while driving.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 1:05 am    Post subject:  Re: Play in steering Reply with quote

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I'm assuming the new revised ISS is not the problem. I checked the installation and it appears tight.


I can't help you with your problem, but I can tell you GM never quite got the ISS right. I had mine replaced once under warranty and the new one started making noises soon thereafter. I dealt with it for a few years and had another on installed. That one started making noise too... now I just grease my ISS at every oil change and it's quiet.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 1:45 am    Post subject:   Reply with quote

What's funny is I replaced the original ISS a few months back and the noise mostly went away but seems like the play increased over time if anything. It's hard to imagine this updated ISS which works quiter is the cause of the play but who knows.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 10:23 am    Post subject:  Re: Play in steering Reply with quote

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now I just grease my ISS at every oil change and it's quiet.


Every oil change?! I can do mine once a year. Usually it's part of my spring cleaning rituals.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 11:38 am    Post subject:  Re: Play in steering Reply with quote

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Every oil change?! I can do mine once a year. Usually it's part of my spring cleaning rituals.


Yep, every 4 or 5 months or so. It takes practically no time at all once you know what you are doing so I don't see any harm is lubing it frequently.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 12:02 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

That's true, it really isn't hard at all. I just never thought to do it so frequently... usually I wait until I get that feeling in the wheel.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 12:32 am    Post subject:  Re: Play in steering Reply with quote

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...but I can tell you GM never quite got the ISS right....


I've been using my Moms Tahoe to transport my Dad back and forth to the hospital these past few weeks and within the first 500ft of driving I can feel the ISS rattling around. It drives me nuts to use her truck. Already have an appt at my friends shop to have it taken care of ASAP. (that and the stupid blower motor resistor)

Ive gotten spoiled being out of the W-Body world. Cant believe I almost jumped back into it a few weeks ago Rolling Eyes (07 Monte SS)

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 10:36 am    Post subject:   Reply with quote

How do you grease your ISS? I'd do it if it helps...call me stupid, but I don't even know what an ISS is.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 2:43 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

http://www.naioa.com/v2/module.....mp;p=41936

Follow these directions and look at the pictures on page 2. It's pretty straight forward once you get in there.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:07 am    Post subject:  Re: Play in steering Reply with quote

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I've been using my Moms Tahoe to transport my Dad back and forth to the hospital these past few weeks and within the first 500ft of driving I can feel the ISS rattling around. It drives me nuts to use her truck. Already have an appt at my friends shop to have it taken care of ASAP. (that and the stupid blower motor resistor)

Ive gotten spoiled being out of the W-Body world. Cant believe I almost jumped back into it a few weeks ago Rolling Eyes (07 Monte SS)

The Tahoe ISS temp fix is just as easy as what's being said about the Impala's. I did my Sierra's and it was as simple as can be. Referred to as 'pumping the shaft', no new grease was added. The old grease tends to collect on one end (or both outer ends, I don't recall which) and not lube the whole shaft anymore, so you have to move the shaft up and down to get the grease more uniform across the shaft again and then it's fine. It's so simple to do that if you do it every so often it's not really a big deal. I have yet to do my Impala's though, and I really need to. It becomes more annoying the colder it gets it seems. Or maybe I'm just paying attention more when it's cold out, who knows. I read up on it once when I first got the car, but still haven't completed the work.

I'm curious as to why you dislike the W-body world, or more specifically the V8 SS W-body world? I wouldn't mind having one for a DD, but I also haven't looked into what's the common issues with 'em other than bad factory alignment ~ tire wear.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:06 pm    Post subject:  Re: Play in steering Reply with quote

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so you have to move the shaft up and down to get the grease more uniform across the shaft again and then it's fine.


Laughing I don't know what it is about shaft lubing comments, but I always get a chuckle out of them.

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I'm curious as to why you dislike the W-body world, or more specifically the V8 SS W-body world? I wouldn't mind having one for a DD, but I also haven't looked into what's the common issues with 'em other than bad factory alignment ~ tire wear.


Probably the same reason anyone else that has gotten out of the W-body world dislikes them. They are an ancient platform with tons of shortcomings and few features compared to other cars offered in a similar segment today.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:37 pm    Post subject:  Re: Play in steering Reply with quote

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Laughing I don't know what it is about shaft lubing comments, but I always get a chuckle out of them.



IffyG wrote:

Probably the same reason anyone else that has gotten out of the W-body world dislikes them. They are an ancient platform with tons of shortcomings and few features compared to other cars offered in a similar segment today.

I'm not currently thinking outside the box I guess... what's some other 'options' in a sedan that's from '06-'09 that has 300hp or so and similarly priced? I wonder if that should be a new thread... Confused

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 3:36 pm    Post subject:  Re: Play in steering Reply with quote

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Laughing I don't know what it is about shaft lubing comments, but I always get a chuckle out of them.



IffyG wrote:

Probably the same reason anyone else that has gotten out of the W-body world dislikes them. They are an ancient platform with tons of shortcomings and few features compared to other cars offered in a similar segment today.

I'm not currently thinking outside the box I guess... what's some other 'options' in a sedan that's from '06-'09 that has 300hp or so and similarly priced? I wonder if that should be a new thread... Confused


To start, you can find 08 G8's around here for the same price range as 08-09 impala SS...I would def take the g8

theres tons of other cars same price range. check autotrader

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