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PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 4:10 pm    Post subject:  Replace tie rod ends in pairs? Reply with quote

As some of you may have seen, I needed to replace the drivers side outer tie rod end on the Monte Carlo. Pepboys only had one Moog unit in stock, so I picked that up and installed it. Now I'm trying to decide if I should just go ahead and order the other one and replace it before taking the car in for an alignment.

The car has 120k miles on it and didn't have the tie rod ends replaced in the past. I'm leaning towards replacing it, but opinions are always welcome.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 4:21 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

I am going to follow this topic... I need to replace my driver outer tie rod but wondering if I should spend the extra cash to get all 4 done, an if an allignment is needed afterwards..
I have 125k+ and I have some vibration when I turn slightly to the left while driving, took the wheel off an noticed the bushings were shot..
I replaced my stabilizer bushings last year, I'm thinking now that I should have just done them all while I was under there
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 6:32 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

I would say yeah. They are not prohibitively expensive to replace in pairs. But I'm no suspension expert.

On the other hand, you're able to do them on your own. If you don't need an alignment after replacing them, it's free for you to do the other one if it fails in the future.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 7:49 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

At 120,000 miles, they are probably pretty much shot anyway. Just replace it since you're there.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 9:08 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

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At 120,000 miles, they are probably pretty much shot anyway. Just replace it since you're there.


X2! Get the MOOGs, just make sure to keep them lubed up, my MOOGs were loose after 60k or so, but I only greased them a few times.

Get a caliper and measure the lengths of the new and used tie rod end, and adjust accordingly when you reinstall them. For example, my new tie rods were 1mm shorter, so when I turned them back on the rack, I turned them 1 less turn than what I counted when I took them off.

I hate to say it, but if you can get OEM non-greasable tie rods, they'll probably last a whole lot longer. I've seen plenty OEM tie rods in the junkyard in the low 100k's and they are still plenty tight. The greasable ones depend on you greasing them often enough not to fail. Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 9:32 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

I just went with the mevotech special on rockauto, I wanted the moog, but for the price I got 2 mevotechs for the price of 1 moog, plus the part # is the same. They are not difficult to change so I figure I'd try this. I did by two because I expected to have to replace them both. I counted the turns and measured from the center of the tie rod to the inner tie rod boot. Got it really close, took a drive and adjusted half a turn till it was perfect.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:46 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

I'm gonna order another Moog tie rod end while I'm out of town and put it on next week before I take it in for an alignment. I put the car back together today and there is zero play in the drivers side with the new tie rod end and enough to concern me on the passenger side. I'll probably buy a grease gun too...

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I just went with the mevotech special on rockauto, I wanted the moog, but for the price I got 2 mevotechs for the price of 1 moog, plus the part # is the same. They are not difficult to change so I figure I'd try this. I did by two because I expected to have to replace them both. I counted the turns and measured from the center of the tie rod to the inner tie rod boot. Got it really close, took a drive and adjusted half a turn till it was perfect.


Keep them greased, otherwise those savings will vanish in a year or so. Laughing

I bought Mevotech control arms when they first came out, they wore out in 40k miles, I guess I should have greased more than once a year. Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 1:17 am    Post subject:   Reply with quote

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I hate to say it, but if you can get OEM non-greasable tie rods, they'll probably last a whole lot longer. I've seen plenty OEM tie rods in the junkyard in the low 100k's and they are still plenty tight. The greasable ones depend on you greasing them often enough not to fail. Rolling Eyes


Before I went with the MOOG tie rod end, I searched Rock Auto and it looked like the current OEM tie rod end available also has a grease fitting as well. Does GM even make a non-greasable one anymore?

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 2:34 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

Rock Auto can get AC Delco parts in general, but pretty sure the OEM parts are still mostly a dealer item. I'll check when I get a second chance.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 3:34 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

Checked my stock,... OEM is still non greasable.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 4:09 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

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Checked my stock,... OEM is still non greasable.

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Interesting, so GM parts may be AC Delco parts, but not always vica versa?

All I know is that my dealer-sold AC Delco condenser is the same crappy part the parts stores sell, bastards! Laughing

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 4:17 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

How do I know if I need replacing?

I have 253,000+ on mine.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 5:35 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

Grab the wheel at 3 and 9 oclock and give it a wiggle. If it's not pretty solid your tie rods are shot. In my case, the stud started spinning when I was trying to remove it.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 6:40 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

FWIW Moog's are about 35 or so bucks a piece from rockauto
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