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How much muscle is too much muscle on CV axle end?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 10:53 pm    Post subject:  How much muscle is too much muscle on CV axle end? Reply with quote

I'm replacing a wheel bearing on the Monte Carlo and it's giving me hell. The splines between the axle and the hub are seized like a MOFO. I've tried pretty much everything but a BFH directly on the end of the axle.

I've hit it with a 3 lb rubber mallet, a 3 lb dead blow hammer, I put the dead blow hammer the end the axle and hit that with a 3 lb mini sledge, I rented a gear puller from Autozone, tried a slide hammer with axle removing attachment thing, etc.

Can I smack the head of the axle (with a the axle nut on it) with a 5+ lb sledge to break that sucker loose? If not, I'm gonna be buying an axle and a used knuckle, which I would like to avoid.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 11:01 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

Yeahhhhh, time to break out the sledge and give it a good smack. Its not a bad idea to leave the nut on and the socket as well, tape it to the hub if you need to. I mangled one of my original axles pretty good getting it out, but it was still good so I cleaned the end up with a file and kept right on driving it for another year or so haha. Laughing

New axles are cheap enough, $70ish at most auto parts stores, and if yours are original, they're probably throwing grease and need to be replaced anyway.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 11:06 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

I don't care if I mangle the axle, I'm more concerned about damaging something in the transmission. I don't know enough about how the CV axle is designed and how the axle locks into the transmission.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 11:12 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

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I don't care if I mangle the axle, I'm more concerned about damaging something in the transmission. I don't know enough about how the CV axle is designed and how the axle locks into the transmission.


The axle has plenty of freedom to move, its not a rigid connection like a solid RWD driveshaft, you'll be fine.

BTW I take it you've soaked the crap out of the splines with WD40 or PB Blaster? I know there's also a solution you can make with ATF and some other fluid, it makes for an amazing penetrator apparenty.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 11:14 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

I don't think that is going to be a problem. I belive there is alot of in and out movement in both cv joints.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 11:25 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

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BTW I take it you've soaked the crap out of the splines with WD40 or PB Blaster? I know there's also a solution you can make with ATF and some other fluid, it makes for an amazing penetrator apparenty.


I've used more PB blaster on this stupid axle than I have on everything else on this car combined. I sprayed it liberally after I gave up and I'm gonna hit it again before I go to bed and then again before work in the morning. Maybe I'll get lucky and it'll just fall out of the hub when I try again tomorrow night. Laughing

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 11:34 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

Two malls work well..One held on the nut&axle..hit with the other,,wear your saftey glasses.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 12:09 am    Post subject:   Reply with quote

I used a sledge on mine...didnt take a full swing haha but tapped it hard enough to break it loose

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 12:12 am    Post subject:   Reply with quote

Sweet. Now I need to stop off at the Home Depot after work to get a new sledge. I broke the head off the mini sledge I was using today. A 3 lb sledge head rocketing across the room will scare the piss out of you. Laughing

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 12:14 am    Post subject:   Reply with quote

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Sweet. Now I need to stop off at the Home Depot after work to get a new sledge. I broke the head off the mini sledge I was using today. A 3 lb sledge head rocketing across the room will scare the piss out of you. Laughing


That's why wooden handles suck. Laughing

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Sweet. Now I need to stop off at the Home Depot after work to get a new sledge. I broke the head off the mini sledge I was using today. A 3 lb sledge head rocketing across the room will scare the piss out of you. Laughing


Make sure you got a big breaker bar too if u havent taken the axle nut off yet.

11 years in chicago winters, and 175ft-lb or whatever its torqued too wasn't fun.
I ended up using my 1/2 drive and had to put an old skate rail over it to get enough leverage to break it loose lol

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That's why wooden handles suck. Laughing


Agreed. I'll be getting a fiberglass one tomorrow.

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Make sure you got a big breaker bar too if u havent taken the axle nut off yet.

11 years in chicago winters, and 175ft-lb or whatever its torqued too wasn't fun.
I ended up using my 1/2 drive and had to put an old skate rail over it to get enough leverage to break it loose lol


I knew I was going to run out of luck on hubs/suspension components eventually. The Monte Carlo spent 7 years in the suburbs of Chicago and downtown Milwaukee, most of which as spent without a garage. This is the first time I've actually broken tools and had to give up on a repair for the day due to corrosion issues.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 12:38 am    Post subject:   Reply with quote

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I knew I was going to run out of luck on hubs/suspension components eventually. The Monte Carlo spent 7 years in the suburbs of Chicago and downtown Milwaukee, most of which as spent without a garage. This is the first time I've actually broken tools and had to give up on a repair for the day due to corrosion issues.


Ya, surprisingly there isn't much rust on my car..little surface stuff on bottom, so I didn't think anything of it. Thank god for that skate rail lol...

Those things are just no fun. Also ran into the problem that my stock axle nut was bigger than the new axle nut...that was a PITA since I didn't have EITHER size lol

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:15 am    Post subject:   Reply with quote

Do you have access to an oxyacetylene torch? Last option is usually heat & beat. And if it's bad enough, getting pi$$ed off & just beating it senseless usually does the job, but expect to start replacing parts when it finally breaks free.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 12:09 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

I don't have a torch handy, but I could probably track one down if I wanted to. That being said, I'm already resigned to the fact that I might need to buy a used knuckle and a new axle, so if I break something with the BFH, it's not the end of the world.

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