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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:45 pm    Post subject:  Coilovers, or springs/struts? Reply with quote

What should I do. I've been researching it for a couple weeks and haven't come to a conclusion. I actually decided to go with coilovers till I found out it's $300 more to get AGX's instead of GR2's. This pissed me off! How can they sell a coilover setup with a strut that's not meant for drops.... anyways here's how it is. Spring/strut combo comes out to about $950.. coilovers come to $1100 with GR2's or $1400 with AGX's. I really wanted to go with coilovers because of the complete adjustability in height and initially I thought they were only $200 more. But, here's my main question. Would coilovers with the GR2's be worth it? I already bought the SSC springs and anti-pogo washers but this coilover idea had me going crazy. And now that I got these new rims, I was thinking complete flushness slammed on coilovers... What do you guys think? ANY opinions on coilovers are appreciated. No I am not using them from track or racing. I just was considering them for the height adjustment and to be able to go lower. And would it even be possible to get it aligned going that low?

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 11:44 am    Post subject:  Re: Coilovers, or springs/struts? Reply with quote

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This pissed me off! How can they sell a coilover setup with a strut that's not meant for drops


People are cheap and the people that are buying these coilovers are Grand Prix drivers for the most part and they generally more than happy to do a job just good enough that it works (go check out some of the crap that goes on at ClubGP and you'll see why I hardly ever use that forum).

As far as getting coilovers, even with the AGXs, I think it's a waste of money and you are better suited to sticking with a standard strut/spring combo. Sure it might handle better/look better with the coilovers, but you will be throwing tons of stuff out of alignment and adding extra wear to various components on a car that is already 10 years old. Seems like a bad idea to me.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 2:54 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

I would say coil overs are completely overkill. A spring strut combo may not give you full adjustment control, but if you go with the AGX's you can atleast control the stiffness. I wish now I had gone with the AGX, My friend has them and they are awesome.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 4:44 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

Unless you're making it a track car or just like the feeling of your ass scraping across the ashpalt at 70mph, I'd go with struts/springs.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 1:31 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

Ok sounds like I should just go with the original plan. I have an idea to go lower if I decide Cool At this point in time, anyone know the cheapest place to get AGX's? Or somewhere that has them free shipping. The shipping's whats gonna kill me. And if you know where to get all the other stuff cheapest, that would help too!

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 1:37 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

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Ok sounds like I should just go with the original plan. I have an idea to go lower if I decide Cool At this point in time, anyone know the cheapest place to get AGX's? Or somewhere that has them free shipping. The shipping's whats gonna kill me. And if you know where to get all the other stuff cheapest, that would help too!


Get the GR2s. You can get them from Rock Auto.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 1:39 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

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Get the GR2s. You can get them from Rock Auto.


I'd vote for the AGXs. Having adjustable dampening is pretty sweet.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 4:03 am    Post subject:   Reply with quote

Well, I would get GR-2's because they're half the price, and that was the initial plan, but after doing some research and talking to people, I decided to go with the AGX's. They're meant for a drop so hopefully they'll last quite a while longer and I love the fact that I'll be able to change the firmness. I'll probably have it pretty soft most of the time Laughing

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 10:33 am    Post subject:   Reply with quote

Look at it this way... if you are a lucky person (like Wanderson) and get away with GR2s you saved yourself some money. If you are an unlucky person (like myself), you would get GR2s, blow them in short order and end up spending as much as you would have spent up front on AGXs on two sets of GR2s. Seems like a no brainer to me.

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I'll probably have it pretty soft most of the time Laughing


I doubt it. I started with mine at 2 all around and ended up on full firm out back and 3 up front for the best handling. The only time I drop it back is on long road trips, since it can be a bit punishing feeling every bump for 500 miles.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 1:36 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

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Look at it this way... if you are a lucky person (like Wanderson) and get away with GR2s you saved yourself some money. If you are an unlucky person (like myself), you would get GR2s, blow them in short order and end up spending as much as you would have spent up front on AGXs on two sets of GR2s. Seems like a no brainer to me.

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I'll probably have it pretty soft most of the time Laughing


I doubt it. I started with mine at 2 all around and ended up on full firm out back and 3 up front for the best handling. The only time I drop it back is on long road trips, since it can be a bit punishing feeling every bump for 500 miles.


Well I complain about mine now that it isn't smooth enough, so idk. I drive pretty laid back most of the time.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 1:50 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

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I'll probably have it pretty soft most of the time Laughing


Disappointed in the lack of responses this line got...

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 2:19 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

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Well I complain about mine now that it isn't smooth enough, so idk. I drive pretty laid back most of the time.


And you were considering coil overs? Sounds to me that your best option is GR2s with stock springs.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 4:08 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

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I doubt it. I started with mine at 2 all around and ended up on full firm out back and 3 up front for the best handling. The only time I drop it back is on long road trips, since it can be a bit punishing feeling every bump for 500 miles.


I also am a noob when it comes to setting them as I have only had the the Struts in for less than a Month now. I Got AGX's and Sprint Springs... Listed 1.7" Front and 1.5" Rear.... Dropping a W-Body = Rear Ass Sag unless you have control over the drop ie. Coilovers... I installed the Springs and Struts in the Front and absolutely loved the stance. I loved it so much I installed the AGX's in the Rear and kept the Stock Springs in.

Looks sexy!! Numbers are....
Front Driver - 28" 1/4"
Front Passenger - 28"
Rear Driver - 28" 3/4"
Rear Passenger - 28" 3/4"

So the front was dropped a solid 1.6 inches. If I would add the Rear Springs the numbers would go down to 27" 1/4" and if those numbers would turn out right im not having my cars rear end sag.

I like that look. Higher in the Rear and Lower in the front... Reminds me of the late Era of the Muscle car... Even though there's nothing muscle when it comes to the Impala Very Happy I am still rolling on my 245/35/20's and with no rub in the front end. I am sticking with this set up. Will the Springs settle a little bit more?

Anyway dont mean for thread jacking here but dude if your in to comfort and ride dont lower the car at all, as IffyG mentioned stick with GR-2's and Stock Springs! Dont buy Coilovers.. IMO they are pontless unless it's for racing application or just plain show. And you should get a 4 Wheel Alignment after any drop in Suspension height... Messes with Camber/Toe.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 5:24 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

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Dropping a W-Body = Rear Ass Sag unless you have control over the drop ie. Coilovers...


That's only sort of true. While some springs do sag over time in the rear (especially if you load them down), the sag is just visual. It's got more to do with the cut of the rear fender vs the front fender. The rear on both of my W-bodies looks like it is sitting lower because it doesn't have as much of a cut out on the rear wheel well. Sure it's annoying, but you can't blame the springs for what GM engineers designed.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 12:53 am    Post subject:   Reply with quote

Well I definitely want to lower. And my ride now isn't super smooth, brand new feeling. I'm pretty sure my strut mounts are going bad because when I hit bumps, it makes noise also. It rides great on the highway, just when I hit bumps, pot holes, railroad tracks, etc it's bad. I'm sure I'll be happy with the ride. And I probably will have it pretty soft. Does it bottom out ever on the lowest setting?

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