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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 7:43 pm    Post subject:  Midwest3800 performance... Golf? Reply with quote

Anybody know the reasoning behind that websites dilemma? Did the moderators just abandon ship when some spambot filled it with random garbage? What is with this nonsense?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 10:16 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

These cars are a dead platform and forum traffic has been steadily dropping like a rock over the last 2-3 years. The forum probably isn't monitored by anyone (nor does anyone visit) so a Spambot took it over and you are probably the first to notice.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 10:47 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

It's a shame... for the price of a new performance car, you can drop some serious performance into these things and make something that would kill most anything in it's price range. And build it stronger than anything you can buy too...
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 12:47 am    Post subject:   Reply with quote

Except these cars are based on a platform that's almost 25 years old and are powered by an old school V6 that traces it's lineage back 50 years. Pretty much everything on the market is better in terms of technology, features and oh... just about everything.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 3:45 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

True, but the platform obviously has reliability behind it, otherwise they wouldn't have kept producing it. Plus the ease in finding parts, and putting them on the vehicle make it a winner in my book.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 5:41 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

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True, but the platform obviously has reliability behind it, otherwise they wouldn't have kept producing it. Plus the ease in finding parts, and putting them on the vehicle make it a winner in my book.


You're delusional. Once these cars get a few years old, they start sounding like an old boat and everything starts to go wrong with them. I had good luck with my 2004 3400 Monte Carlo but it's only ~7 years old. My 2001 SS has had a laundry list of things replaced on it by me and by the previous owners.

Once you experience one bad w-body, you'll never again preach about how great of a car/platform it is.

I'll gladly spend 25k-35k on a new, sportier car before I drop 5-6k into a dead platform.

And FYI, it costs roughly 3-5k to top swap a 3800 and get the transmission in order. And that's with you doing most of the work. In the end, you still have a car that's slower than most cars that are rolling off the assembly line now. 14s in the 1/4 and clumsy through the turns does not equal performance.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 7:10 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

I owned 3 Grand Prix's and I never had any problems with any of them. I just replaced the normal wear items like brakes and tires etc and drove them many thousands of trouble free miles.

As for it being a dead platform I disagree. Sales of my custom parts haven't declined at all. In fact it seems that sales have increased this year and I don't see any end in sight.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 7:30 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

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As for it being a dead platform I disagree. Sales of my custom parts haven't declined at all.


You can't judge by your sales...

Your sales have likely increased because the platform has gotten so old that they are VERY cheap to acquire so younger and younger (and cheaper and cheaper) buyers are getting into them and attempting to compensate for the platforms' woeful handling characteristics by buying inexpensive bolt-ons

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 7:57 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

That's true with all cars, as they get older more & more people can afford to buy and mod them. They still make the Impala, so until they stop I should continue to sell my parts.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:44 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

So my car cost $2400... Lets turn that supercharged number into a turbocharged number and add another $3000 to your high estimate, bringing us to $8000. That still puts my car at half the price of a new one, and whooping the crap out of any car twice it's amount, and giving the cars worth 3X as much a pretty good run for their money. Plus, if you do the majority of the work yourself, you're going to know what breaks when it does, making it easier & faster to fix. Rather than something getting recalled, or going wrong with your brand new vehicle, and the shop taking it's lazy time putting it together & possibly doing a crappy job, it's in your garage & out in a day or two tops.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:55 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

Sorry buddy, you aren't going to find many Impala leg humpers (even on an Impala forum). Several members that have top swapped their Imp, dumped them in short order in favor of something that's actually fast. You arrived to the party about 5 years late for the enthusiasm to be there. The sad fact of the matter is the w-body is pretty much relegated to being a grocery getter these days.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:10 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

And that's why I'm keeping it, cause the path has been blazed pretty well on these vehicles already, they're easy to work on, and I've already got one. Plus when the old lady starts popping out little kids, they've got something safe to ride in. You can hate it for all it is, but I love my beast, love how beefed up everything already is with the 9C1 package, and love that people don't tailgate me.
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It never ceases to amaze me how delusional people can be....

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:47 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

Might I suggest you put that 8k into a savings fund to fix the stuff that is going to break on your car. My Monte Carlo has been meticulously maintained, yet somehow I've manged to need 5k in repair work done over the last three years...

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:52 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

I'd like to know the name of the car that you can drive forever and never have to repair it. Razz

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