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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:50 pm    Post subject:  Instrument cluster swap Reply with quote

Hi Folks! I'm thinking of swapping the base instrument cluster in my 2000 Impala for an LS cluster. Does anyone know if the mileage is stored in the PCM memory or is it stored in the cluster itself? If it's in the cluster,how is the mileage on the donor cluster set to match the car?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:57 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

It's stored in the cluster itself, you need special tools to program it. BBEngineer offers this service for a reasonable fee. Also keep in mind with a 2000 car you need a 2000 cluster as the wiring is slightly different than the other model years.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:57 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

Its stored in the cluster. The best place to get int transfered is bbengineer he's cheaper than the dealor.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 12:01 am    Post subject:   Reply with quote

The LS cluster isn't much of an upgrade, doesn't it just add a tach?
You might want to consider getting a cluster from a NA Monte Carlo SS, then you will have mph, tach, volts, oil pressure, temp, and fuel level.

As others have said, BBE is the best place to go for the mileage transfer. He can also swap the lights for leds in a variety of colors. A cluster from 2000 is likely to have a lot of the little backlights burned out by now anyway, so leds are the way to go.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 10:52 am    Post subject:   Reply with quote

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The LS cluster isn't much of an upgrade, doesn't it just add a tach?
You might want to consider getting a cluster from a NA Monte Carlo SS, then you will have mph, tach, volts, oil pressure, temp, and fuel level.


The oil pressure won't work with the 3400 engine Wink

Having a tach can be a more valuable tool than most people realize Smile so it would be a decent upgrade.

But yes, you would need to get one from another 2000 and have the mileage programmed into the "new" cluster.

As others have said, BBEngineer does a great job with this and will even go through and clean up the inside of the cluster by replacing burned out lighting, fix any broken motors, repair lose solder joints, etc.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 11:37 am    Post subject:   Reply with quote

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The LS cluster isn't much of an upgrade, doesn't it just add a tach?
You might want to consider getting a cluster from a NA Monte Carlo SS, then you will have mph, tach, volts, oil pressure, temp, and fuel level.


The oil pressure won't work with the 3400 engine Wink

Having a tach can be a more valuable tool than most people realize Smile so it would be a decent upgrade.

But yes, you would need to get one from another 2000 and have the mileage programmed into the "new" cluster.

As others have said, BBEngineer does a great job with this and will even go through and clean up the inside of the cluster by replacing burned out lighting, fix any broken motors, repair lose solder joints, etc.


Yeah I want a LS cluster for the tach mainly. I've always had one in my cars and it's a little akward without one. But the replacing the cluster look difficult as hell, that's why I haven't attempted it.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 12:01 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

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... But the replacing the cluster look difficult as hell, that's why I haven't attempted it.


it's easy as pie - one of the easiest and fastest mods to do. Takes 10 minutes.

Follow the instructions here only instead of taking the radio out, take out the 4 screws that hold the cluster in and replace.

It's not at all difficult...

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 12:06 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

^^ Pretty much. If you know how to remove the dash trim, you have mastered the hardest part of the whole process. Beyond that it's 4 screws and a pigtail.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 3:11 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

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The LS cluster isn't much of an upgrade, doesn't it just add a tach?


Flame On! Really meow? Its a pretty damn big improvement, oil pressure wont work, and voltage doesnt really matter.

The dash isnt too hard to take apart, I can have it off in about 5 minutes. Dont ask how many times I've taken it off.... Laughing NO rattles or squeaks either! Very Happy

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 4:00 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

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Jayme wrote:
The LS cluster isn't much of an upgrade, doesn't it just add a tach?


Flame On! Really meow? Its a pretty damn big improvement, oil pressure wont work, and voltage doesnt really matter.


Easy there champ. The LS cluster adds a tach, the SS cluster adds the tach, oil pressure and voltmeter.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 4:43 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

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MISHNAH wrote:
Jayme wrote:
The LS cluster isn't much of an upgrade, doesn't it just add a tach?


Flame On! Really meow? Its a pretty damn big improvement, oil pressure wont work, and voltage doesnt really matter.


Easy there champ. The LS cluster adds a tach, the SS cluster adds the tach, oil pressure and voltmeter.


I think his point was that the oil pressure doesn't work with the 3400 engine, and the voltage (in his opinion) doesn't matter, so why go with an SS cluster with a 3400 engine.

No worries either way...I personally like the voltage display...gives me about 10 minutes warning that my alternator is going to go before the idiot light comes on Laughing Buuttt...if I had the 3400, I wouldn't install an SS cluster either, because it would bother me to no end that the oil pressure didn't work Smile
But then again, it doesn't work in my Tahoe right now either...need to change the sender Embarassed

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 4:54 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

He quoted the LS cluster and then started talking about voltmeter and oil pressure stuff (neither of which is on an LS cluster).

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:46 pm    Post subject:  cluster swap Reply with quote

Hey,Thanks to all you kind folks who responded to my question. Yes,once you get the IP fascia off it's a piece of cake. I already did that once when I had to swap out the radio. It's not too bad a job. I'll keep my eyes open for a reasonably priced cluster.
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IffyG wrote:
He quoted the LS cluster and then started talking about voltmeter and oil pressure stuff (neither of which is on an LS cluster).


Arrrgh, sorry for any confusion, what I meant is that he said the LS cluster isnt much of an upgrade, implying that you should go for the SS cluster. But getting the SS cluster is a waste since the extra two gauges either dont work or arent that important.

I do love the raised speedometer on the SS clusters though. Wink

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 10:47 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

Wow I didn't realize people had such strong opinions about clusters (but I should have, this is NAIOA, isn't it Laughing )

Crossedflags could get BBE to remove the oil pressure gauge and put a little crossed flags sticker from the NAIOA shop in that spot, as has been discussed in another thread. Big Thumbs Up

I personally like the volt gauge, you can never have too much info about what's going on with the car's systems, IMHO.

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