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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 2:33 am    Post subject:  alignment question/help Reply with quote

i hate local mechanic. and belle tire.
i changed both outer tie rods, both axles, sway bar links,and front rotors, all by my self with no problems. had to change inner tie rod so took it to shop cause i didn't know how to do it. 1 hour later i pick car up and steering wheel is all twisted wrong way and alignment is way off. told head guy at shop and he say you have to take it in somewhere and get the alignment fixed Shocked....Im so pissed cause i just payed 80.00 for them to f*** s**t up. now more money
take the loss and went to belle tire to get the alignment fixed. everything seem cool waited 1hour bored as hell with my daughter. guys walks over to me with a paper that reads estimate in big words Shocked s**t here we go. tells me that $$$$ left hub has play and control arm bushing are bad.think there was something else but not to sure can't make out what it says, hard to understand the wording and shorts they use. but all together its like 780.xx to fix before they can do anything.

i took it home and fixed it a little my self, well to make it drivable.good thing i remember the lenght of tie rod when i did outer ties. didn't want bad alignment Very Happy when done. i still think its off alittle.
anyone know how much toe the impala got from factory. thinking of doing the old redneck alignment tie a string from back to front and toe it by 1/8 or so. seen this on youtube.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 2:40 am    Post subject:   Reply with quote

I haven't heard of any "big" shops that won't do that to you. They will ALWAYS try to sell you anything and everything. Whatever happened to simply installing what the customer needs? Without trying to sell the stuff?
As for the redneck alignment, I've never heard of it, but in theory, it should work. Unless your rear wheels are out of alignment too. Then you would be going straight, but your car would be at an angle.

I would call it nothing more than a temporary fix. Also if you have time raise the vehicle front and try to move the wheel back and forth, and also from top to bottom, just pretend you're trying to remove a stuck on wheel. There should be very very little play ( if any) chances are you don't necessarily need a wheel bearing and they simply want a few more dollars out of you.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 7:43 am    Post subject:  align Reply with quote

I have a tire, alignment shop in ga, I can tell ya how to set toe but runnin late this morn will try to catch ya tonight
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 8:15 am    Post subject:   Reply with quote

if ur wheel bearing isnt talking (making noise) i wouldnt bother replacing it . this is what the shop i take my car to for allignments, tires, and inspections said. he said mine are worn but still have life left. not one of those shady mechanics looking for a quick buck. as for the control arm bushings being bad... does it feel like ur wheels gonna fall off when u go over bumps? mine are bad and thats what im experiencing . i got the parts just waiting to have enough spare $ to pay shop to press new bushings in

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 12:31 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

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if ur wheel bearing isnt talking (making noise) i wouldnt bother replacing it . this is what the shop i take my car to for allignments, tires, and inspections said. he said mine are worn but still have life left. not one of those shady mechanics looking for a quick buck. as for the control arm bushings being bad... does it feel like ur wheels gonna fall off when u go over bumps? mine are bad and thats what im experiencing . i got the parts just waiting to have enough spare $ to pay shop to press new bushings in


Find a new shop.. just because there is no noise doesn't mean the hub bearings aren't shot. The correct way to check is to use a dial indicator and measure the play...

As far as the shop not doing the alignment.. that's because you can't do a proper alignment with bad hubs or bad control arm bushings... it will never be correct

If you don't believe them, get a second opinion...

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 2:24 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

I know the "laser" alignment rack I used read in hundredths of degrees off for each wheel. I did the front of a 97 lesabre, and there was only an "acceptable" range of .02 degrees either way. It was 7 degrees off after a tierod replacement. Even though they "counted" the the threads on the old tierod and new tierod to try coming close.

A good alignment should allow you to let go of the wheel and go straight forever (in theory, with no slants or potholes in the road).

If I paid someone for an alignment, I'd complain if it even has the SLIGHTEST pull. I can't remember 100% but I think they charge around $200 -$400 for an alignment? THe hardest part is simply getting it set up. It shouldn't take more than 45 minutes to do the actual alignment (tierod adjustment anyway).

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 3:02 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

2 years ago I took our impala into a shop for an alignment. Waited hours. for them to tell me they can't align it unless the tires were replaced. So I replaced the fronts. (needed them anyway).
Drove away and the car still had a pull. Drove it back the next day, (closed as I picked up the car) and they told me the alignment was "on" and I must have hit a curb or pot hole.....

Never been back there.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 5:35 pm    Post subject:  thanks Reply with quote

Leeco388- if you could help me i would really appreciate it thanks.

i just want to do a temporary fix till i can get some money together from unemployment. bearings are making no noise what so ever. thanks for the info guys. if guy comes through i'll keep you posted on how it goes ...
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 6:00 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

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I can't remember 100% but I think they charge around $200 -$400 for an alignment? THe hardest part is simply getting it set up. It shouldn't take more than 45 minutes to do the actual alignment (tierod adjustment anyway).


Most of the national chains do a 3 year or lifetime alignment for less than 200 bucks.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 9:04 pm    Post subject:  wheel bearings Reply with quote

okay guys gm says the wheel bearings shouldnt have any play in them, well almost every gm front wheel drives have bearing play, if they are not roaring dont worry about them
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 9:09 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

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just because there is no noise doesn't mean the hub bearings aren't shot.


A wheel hub doesn't have to be making noise to have alot of play...

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 9:16 pm    Post subject:  setting the toe Reply with quote

to set your toe, jack up the front end, take a crayon ,spin the front wheel while marking a line completly around the front tires. loosen tie rod jam nuts. i think you can adjust them with a 13mm open wrench. let the car down on a level floor. roll it back and up to let front end settle. you can use a string or a tape measure , run string on the marks of the inside crayon marks ( about in the half way up the tire area) now in the same area in the front set it at the same length as you measured it at the rear. if you are jast a bit in or out front to back you will probabaly be okay. call me if ya need any more help
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 9:52 pm    Post subject: Snif ! Re: wheel bearings Reply with quote

Leeco388 wrote:
okay guys gm says the wheel bearings shouldnt have any play in them, well almost every gm front wheel drives have bearing play, if they are not roaring dont worry about them


You can't be more wrong about wheel bearing play. Once the bearings start to develop play, their condition will degrade exponentially (any Mechanical Engineer familiar with bearings will confirm this). If they have any play, it is best to replace them. Bearing play will make proper alignment impossible and decrease the life of your tires.

On a side note, when replacing bearings on our cars use Timken or AC Delco bearings. They last longer.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 10:12 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

i think ill follow bbe's reccomendation and just replace mine then. i trust my shop but i also trust bbe. it seems like these cars are 1 thing after another past 70k miles Sad im doing my controle arms 2morrow a shop charging me 1/2 hr labor for my bushings to be pressed in and im also replacing the water pump. in a couple weeks im going to look into wheel bearings and a coolant flush. after that im going to be saving up for a paint job this summer (crosses fingers) hope nothing else goes wrong in the meantime. i am going to repaint the whole exterior (minus the door jambs and engine bay) with the origional paint code color. i was quoted 1200$ for this

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