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Anyone use ZMAX and if so what are your thoughts

 
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 3:34 pm    Post subject:  Anyone use ZMAX and if so what are your thoughts Reply with quote

Anyone use it do you think its good or bad for your motor and does it really do what they say it does? thanks guys

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 3:35 pm    Post subject:  Re: Anyone use ZMAX and if so what are your thoughts Reply with quote

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seafoam is your best bet.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 4:06 pm    Post subject:  Re: Anyone use ZMAX and if so what are your thoughts Reply with quote

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seafoam is your best bet.


thats your opinion, but other people dont like seafoam or even using anything. He asked about ZMax as a product, not additives as a whole.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 4:32 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

I'm just a shadetree mechanic, so don't take my word for it. But from what I do know, modern engine oil and other fluids for your car come with the stuff needed to make things work properly. If you keep these fluids changed at the proper intervals, you should never have to add anything like Zmax. Why risk changing the chemical compositions of your car's vital fluids just because a company says it's safe. They just want to push their product, they don't work with manufacturers to make sure the product really works like they say it will.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 4:33 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 4:40 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

I have always heard good thing about it,but have never used it myself.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 4:45 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

My GF's boss swears by it. He gave me a pack that included 3 different things. I used it once back when I had a 2003 Monte Carlo. I couldn't tell the difference.

I tend to think like most people, that the fluids in our cars already come with the necessary detergents and lubricants to work properly.

Here's a little food for thought.

http://autorepair.about.com/li.....42801a.htm

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 4:50 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2001/02/zmax1.shtm

zMax produced more than twice as much bearing corrosion as motor oil alone

Take any money you would spend on additives and change you oil a bit more often is the best insurance I know of.

Tufoil or Lucas products have been the only items I have ever trusted but even with that I do not use them much any more.

Use quality oil and change at 3k without fail. Quaker state conventional oil in one vehicle and valve synthetic in the other (has lower mileage) and napa gold filters (made by wix, have excellent micron rating and built heavy duty inside).

Good luck.

Caution, using sythetic oil on a higher mileage engine can give it a bit of an enema as the cleaning properties are so good.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 4:53 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

FTC investigated it in 2001.....
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According to the FTC, the CRC L38 test is a standard auto industry tool to measure the bearing corrosion protection properties of motor oils. In February/March 1997, an independent laboratory performed two CRC L38 tests of zMax for Speedway and Oil Chem. In those tests, motor oil treated with zMax produced more than twice as much bearing corrosion as motor oil alone.


http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2001/02/zmax1.shtm

Apparently it is just tinted mineral oil. Even the LS1 guys think it's trash.
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/.....worth.html

Edit: Damn, beat to it as I was posting. lol

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 4:57 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

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FTC investigated it in 2001.....
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According to the FTC, the CRC L38 test is a standard auto industry tool to measure the bearing corrosion protection properties of motor oils. In February/March 1997, an independent laboratory performed two CRC L38 tests of zMax for Speedway and Oil Chem. In those tests, motor oil treated with zMax produced more than twice as much bearing corrosion as motor oil alone.


http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2001/02/zmax1.shtm

Apparently it is just tinted mineral oil. Even the LS1 guys think it's trash.
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/.....worth.html

Edit: Damn, beat to it as I was posting. lol


I beat both of you to it.

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http://autorepair.about.com/li.....42801a.htm

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 5:08 am    Post subject:   Reply with quote

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SatImpala wrote:
FTC investigated it in 2001.....
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According to the FTC, the CRC L38 test is a standard auto industry tool to measure the bearing corrosion protection properties of motor oils. In February/March 1997, an independent laboratory performed two CRC L38 tests of zMax for Speedway and Oil Chem. In those tests, motor oil treated with zMax produced more than twice as much bearing corrosion as motor oil alone.


http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2001/02/zmax1.shtm

Apparently it is just tinted mineral oil. Even the LS1 guys think it's trash.
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/.....worth.html

Edit: Damn, beat to it as I was posting. lol


I beat both of you to it.

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http://autorepair.about.com/li.....42801a.htm


Zmax has average levels of Zinc for an for a quality synthetic, nothing more, thats about all the real information I could find.
Obviously it comes in small portions.

What are your reasons for adding an additive???

Are you looking to provide an overkill protection along with outstanding lubrication?? Then youd want Royal Purple.

Are you looking for extended drain intervals, while likely unnoticeably sacrificing higher rpm performance, for improved shear stability?? Go with Amsoil XL.

If your looking for a Royal Purple without API restraints? Royal Purple XPR still contains detergents, while still having levels of zinc and phosphorus in excess of 1,900 ppm.

If your looking for race purpose only option, with short change intervals and no detergents for reduced detonation, try RedLine Racing oil.
Contains about 530 Molybdenum, 2000 Phosphorus and 2000 Zinc

Not recommended but worth mentioning the Redline 20W50 High Performance 4 stroke contains over 2600ppm ZDDP.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 10:43 am    Post subject:   Reply with quote

cool guys thanks for the input i change my oil every 3000 on the dot and i use Valvoline syntec blend high milage and i get a high milage filter so i guess that rite there covers everything i need from reading the above posts once again thank you for your input

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 12:30 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

Fallguy wrote:
http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2001/02/zmax1.shtm

zMax produced more than twice as much bearing corrosion as motor oil alone

Take any money you would spend on additives and change you oil a bit more often is the best insurance I know of.

Tufoil or Lucas products have been the only items I have ever trusted but even with that I do not use them much any more.

Use quality oil and change at 3k without fail. Quaker state conventional oil in one vehicle and valve synthetic in the other (has lower mileage) and napa gold filters (made by wix, have excellent micron rating and built heavy duty inside).

Good luck.

Caution, using sythetic oil on a higher mileage engine can give it a bit of an enema as the cleaning properties are so good.


If I ever get the LIM replaced so the oil quits leaking out, I'm considering synthetic. But not until/if that happens.

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