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11 second quarter mile? Really?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 10:13 am    Post subject:  11 second quarter mile? Really? Reply with quote

Due to unwillingness to spring for a new Shelby Mustang, Camaro, or Challenger, I have been talking to a representative from a well-known 3.8L performance shop about upgrading my 2001 Impala LS. Moreover, there is something about owning a sleeper that appeals to me...

I am told that it is possible to put an L36 Impala into the 11s with what appears to be about $8000 worth of upgrades, to include a turbo kit, better injectors, fuel pump mods, and a 4T65E transmission. Also, 3" catback exhaust and cam work. Does this sound realistic?

My goal is to have a something slightly quicker in acceleration compared to a stock Shelby Mustang, 370Z, or Camaro SS. Again, sleeper appeal...

The car is eight years old, in fairly good physical condition, and it just seems like a waste to trade it in and jump back into mega-debt for a sports car when I could get similar performance, new tires, some cosmetic work on the car for less than $10k.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 11:11 am    Post subject:  Re: 11 second quarter mile? Really? Reply with quote

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My goal is to have a something slightly quicker in acceleration compared to a stock Shelby Mustang, 370Z, or Camaro SS. Again, sleeper appeal...

The car is eight years old, in fairly good physical condition, and it just seems like a waste to trade it in and jump back into mega-debt for a sports car when I could get similar performance, new tires, some cosmetic work on the car for less than $10k.


I can't speak as to the validity of the 11 second claim, but I can say no matter how much money pour into an Impala, (a heavy FWD sedan) it is not going to come anywhere close to the handling and performance of a RWD sports car.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 11:21 am    Post subject:  Re: 11 second quarter mile? Really? Reply with quote

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I can't speak as to the validity of the 11 second claim, but I can say no matter how much money pour into an Impala, (a heavy FWD sedan) it is not going to come anywhere close to the handling and performance of a RWD sports car.


I understand that fact, and am OK with it. I don't anticipate having to deal with twisties in daily driving, and if someone is making true use of the handling a sports car provides in traffic on public roads, they're probably driving recklessly (my opinion). Not overly concerned about handling.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 11:39 am    Post subject:   Reply with quote

We have a few members here with some money put into forced induction that would have good input for you. Niteflite has a very nice car, and a few of the southern members do, too. I think 12's are reasonable for a streetable w-body, but I don't know about 11's.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 11:53 am    Post subject:   Reply with quote

Im not sure on 11s and a DD. I would be happy to see 13s.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 12:22 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

you can do 11s
turbo kit/cam/ic done
mid to hi 11s you can still keep it fairly streetable (keep off the road in winters) anything else you'll loose the DD Razz

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 12:28 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

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you can do 11s
turbo kit/cam/ic done
mid to hi 11s you can still keep it fairly streetable (keep off the road in winters) anything else you'll loose the DD Razz


I still do't thing that will see 11's. Maybe low 12's....
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 12:33 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

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04DetroitLS wrote:
you can do 11s
turbo kit/cam/ic done
mid to hi 11s you can still keep it fairly streetable (keep off the road in winters) anything else you'll loose the DD Razz


I still do't thing that will see 11's. Maybe low 12's....


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https://www.zzperformance.com/.....;catid=109

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10's are to be expected and 9's with an upgraded kit.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 12:34 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

Do you honestly believe that??? Look at the turbo guys on here, none in the 11's. They want to sell stuff.....
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 12:36 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

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Do you honestly believe that??? Look at the turbo guys on here, none in the 11's. They want to sell stuff.....


Yeah I do believe that. They all have a s**t cartuning kit as far as I know.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 12:41 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

Maybe, but its just not realistic to me to slap a turbo on a car with a cam/ic and it run 11's. The tranny will have to be upgraded, slicks, all kinds of factors other than just a turbo. Thats all I'm saying. You guys are making it seem so simple, there is a lot more involved than just a turbo.....Its expensive, time consuming, and with the money spent you could buy upgrades and make an even faster car. . The sleeper thing is great, but usually when you go that route you still are never satisfied. Not trying to get in a pissing match, I guess I'm just pesimistic...
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 12:44 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

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Maybe, but its just not realistic to me to slap a turbo on a car with a cam/ic and it run 11's. The tranny will have to be upgraded, slicks, all kinds of factors other than just a turbo. Thats all I'm saying. You guys are making it seem so simple, there is a lot more involved than just a turbo.....Its expensive, time consuming, and with the money spent you could buy upgrades and make an even faster car. . The sleeper thing is great, but usually when you go that route you still are never satisfied.


The OP obviously knows that it's not that simple since he mentioned that he would need an upgraded trans. The Stattama kit will put you in the 10s with the ST4 cam. There's an impala on ZZP's site that runs a 10.05 with that setup and slicks. It's definitely doable.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 1:21 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

You certainly won't be running 11's on street tires. Nor will it stay a DD at those power levels. You can make power levels that will run 13's on street tires before you really start to lose a lot of the DD reliability and driveability.

There's a lot of design issues IMO with all the kits because they're trying to work around a platform not designed for big power. The more power you shoot for, items like axles, wheel hubs will be short lived, your upgraded transmission may not be bullet proof, and that's assuming you don't grenade the engine, crack a ring or bend a rod.

Also, nose heavy, FWD, 4 speed auto, open diff, narrow tires, not really a great recipe for a car to run 11's, and be streetable as a decent DD. Good look finding traction with any tire if you're trying to stick with the stock rims too. You'll need to go wider to get a better contact patch and suspension mods to keep your drive tires better planted.

If you don't want to drop a ton of money for a new car, why not buy a used car and turn it into a project vehicle? Then you still have a reliable DD that you can fall back on when you're doing work on the other.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 3:16 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

i still say 11s w/ a DD (minus rain/snow weather conditions) you can do for $8k (cammed)
theres a few used turbo kits for ~$2500 if you want to save some coin.
Go w/ a TEP trans w/ INTENSE input - dont even bother trying to argue otherwise...
Especially on the input, they're $100 cheaper FOR A REASON
but IMO, if you want to spend $8k, and have a DD
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/.....page=thumb
this^
+ MS4 cam

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CP5uefxVh8U
puts you well into the 12s, add other botlons + cage = 11s

dont forget if you go into the 11s youll need a cage for the Imp if you EVER want to take it to the track

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 3:23 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote

Just my 2 cents, but if you cant drive it every day including, rain snow then its not a DD, then you would have to buy another car anyway to drive in rain/snow conditions. ( of course extremes like 5 foot water/ snow is different.)
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